
Public access television– the unsung component of the American media landscape– continues to breed talent. Since its inception in the early 1970’s pioneered by George Stoney, professor of film and cinema studies at New York University, public access has provided communities with an alternative to commercial mass media and ordinary citizens’ access to broadcasting opportunities. Such opportunities not only provided a venue to cultivate local community talent, but also served to launch the careers of celebrities like Elvira, Bobby Flay, and Tom Green. Public access shows have also served as the inspiration for commercial media comedy sketches and films that have now become woven into the fabric of American culture. The Saturday Night Live (SNL) skit, “Goth Talk,” a reoccurring sketch in the 1990’s starring Chris Kattan and Molly Shannon was based on a real public access show in Tampa, Florida. Most notably, the reoccurring, now famous, SNL sketch “Wayne’s World” which spawned two films and became a multi-million dollar franchise was based on the idea of public access television as the characters, Wayne and Garth, (Mike Meyers and Dana Carvey) broadcast their weekly public access show out of Wayne’s parent’s basement in Aurora, Illinois.
Creativity, at this grass roots level, continues to be explored and cultivated in these small telecommunications venues across the nation. The Bob & Brown Talk Show Bonanza is an excellent example of such innovative creativity. In the course of a three season run, The Bob & Brown Show has been brilliantly reinventing the norm of a traditional talk show from that very local, very humble, very American facility that is public access. The Bob & Brown show consists of Bob McCoy (Bob), and sidekick Andrew J. Brown (Brown) engaging in standard banter around a desk. Breaching from that traditional talk show premise, of predictable monologues, guests, and interviews, however, the audience sees that Bob and Brown are effectively characters of themselves, and the show is formed around an evolving narrative, as those interactions are further complicated with various segments, and the interactions with DJ TMAC (Tim McDaniel), musical director, and a very unique poet laureate in residence known as Dr. Malcolm Jamal Corner (Brian Brinker).

The Bob & Brown show initially spawned out of a 2009 summer T.V. production class McCoy, McDaniel, and Brown were enrolled in at Northern Kentucky University – an institution gaining regional and national notoriety in the arenas of theater and electronic media broadcasting. McCoy hosted a live talk show a few years prior, and from that experience, the seeds of the Bob & Brown idea were planted.
McCoy recalls how he and the others convinced the teacher to allow the idea they had developed to be the primary project for the course. Four episodes were shot during that summer term.
Going beyond the constraints of a college class, the show moved out to the Telecommunications Board of Northern Kentucky, one of those numerous local, grassroots public access forums, and Bob & Brown grew to incorporate Brinker’s Dr. Corner character, which had initially materialized while Brinker hosted a college radio show centered on hip hop, poetry, and talk.
Explaining the format of the show, McCoy notes, “We got the good doctor involved, and devised the show to be part skits, part talk show, part comedy expose… and came up with micro storylines, and ongoing scenarios for our characters.”
Brinker describes his character as a composite; what he calls a mixture of “Kerouac and Lord Buckley.” Add scarf, beard, horn rimmed glasses, and a porkpie hat, and there is Dr. Corner.
“Having his character forced us to do something,” says Brown of Dr. Corner.
Brinker agrees, “It made the show a little different.”

Dr. Malcolm Jamal Corner – an obvious riff on the name Malcolm Jamal Warner of Cosby Show fame, and accomplished slam poet in his own right – embodies more of the stuffy, pretentious, take one’s self too seriously archetype of the academic poet. Dr. Corner, a Johns Hopkins University doctorate, and “bestselling author” of a “sci-fi thriller” book ambiguously entitled: Teenage Girls, is in constant conflict with Brown, who calls out Corner’s airs. The “Poetry Corner” segment of the show features the good doctor reading self composed poetry under the isolated glow of a spotlight, while DJ TMAC accompanies mutedly in the background with the keyboard. Dr. Corner then thanks the audience with a deep, self important bow, holding his porkpie hat to his head, and pinning his affected scarf to his jacket. Accolades from Bob, and acrimony from Brown ensue. The deadpan comedic tension of the bit borders on sublime. Such is the nature of art that organically emerges from doing what one loves.
DJ TMAC, played by Tim McDaniel, is the musical accompaniment, playing uncannily out of tune, yet oddly harmonious jingles. His wardrobe garishly appears to have been culled from a Goodwill rack, and his DJ booth area is adorned with a photo of his “family,” that he found on “eHarmony Plus One” which, as the audience sees, is the sample photo insert from a Walmart picture frame. TMAC embodies a somewhat Paul Schaffer-esque role on the show – bantering back and forth with hosts Bob and Brown and the Doctor.
McDaniel explains how he initially got involved with the project. Taking a double major load of classes for both theater and electronic media and broadcasting, he had to take a class in piano, which, he admits, was not really his forte, earning him a grade of a ‘C’. “I took this piano class, and Bob approached me to do the show, thinking I could play piano,” he says with a laugh. His piano playing abilities, however, meld seamlessly with the context of the show. Cacophonous jams introducing segments and breaks. A creative, almost deconstructive reexamination of what makes a late night talk show tick.
Being on public access, Bob and Brown avoids the “cheap” and “shocking” cop-outs seen on reality T.V.; a blandly predictable pabulum arguably blighting the landscape of modern, mainstream T.V. The recurrent threads afforded by natural interactions of Bob, Brown, The Dr., and TMAC; the annoyance had by the repeated “hacking” into the show by masked versions of Brown, McCoy, and McDaniel, known as the “Germans” or “Bruder von Musikzorn” (whose lo-fi “pirating” of the show is a subtle nod to the gritty, real, and sometimes unpolished nature of public access); the absurd physical challenges Brown endures as part of the segment “What Can Andrew Do,” are all byproducts of public access’ liberating nature.

The standalone nature of the work has been compiled on Youtube, while all of the principals are currently pursuing other film, video, and production opportunities. McDaniel has been involved with Extra Life, a local production company, has been working on the feature film Revelation Trail, and is relocating to Los Angeles this June. McCoy has been filming for the Cincinnati Reds, and is forming a production company with a local rapper. Brown has had gigs ranging from Food Network to Spike TV, has been involved with a production company called Piñata Productions, and is working on a feature length film entitled Home. Brinker currently works for radio conglomerate Clear Channel. This burgeoning cohort of talent has, in many ways, utilized Bob & Brown as a training ground – an unmitigated chance to try out new things.
When asked if there will be more Bob and Brown episodes, Brown replied: “If somehow, we were to actually get paid for it, I would feel like I won the lottery.” Brinker and McDaniel nodded in agreement. That’s the litmus of great art: Hope at the possibility of getting paid for a creative endeavor – some comparable living wage, not necessarily a huge salary. The Bob and Brown project embodies pure creativity, and a labor of love – and the resulting product is a well constructed show, with an undeniable comedic edge – and none of it would be possible without public access.
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